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如题:T-34-3和59比,哪个好?
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基本上看售价就知道了。
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看看游戏中那辆车出现的多久明白了................
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百度找吧,很多***
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算了,留点钱买金币舰。
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T34-3冷门一些,全程JBD很爽,而且不像59那么被骂,赚钱不如59,打法和WZ120差不多
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59比343好太多了
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沉掉吧-JP 发表于
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如题:T-34-3和59比,哪个好?
34-3炮狠,我反正宁挨59一炮,也不敢挨34-3一炮。不过59神脸
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我在官网上看,59在穿深、速度和装甲上占优。34-3在射速和伤害上占优。
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59一般情况下结实点,343炮狠一点点
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综合性能59好一点
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Powered by10号Q&A:轻坦的作用 59式比T-34-2要差
作者:yoyochaodan
来源:巴豆论坛
发布时间: 08:18
内容简介: 炮弹的穿深和伤害都是单独且独立计算的,这就是为什么高穿深的炮弹在打击装甲很薄的目标上时不会造成额外的伤害。
  来源:http://ftr.//9-1-2014/
  - both penetration and damage of shells are decided separately and independently, that&s the reason why high-pen shells don&t do more damage to targets with thin armor
  炮弹的穿深和伤害都是单独且独立计算的,这就是为什么高穿深的炮弹在打击装甲很薄的目标上时不会造成额外的伤害
  - SerB states that it&s not true that when hitting thin armor, a shell retains more of its kinetic energy and thus it does more damage
  SerB表示炮弹在击中薄装甲时,炮弹会保留大部分的动能以造成更多伤害的说法是不对的
  - SerB states that the bot-detecting system is working
  SerB表示挂机侦测系统正常运转中
  - not everything will be destructable in the new physics system (SS: for example bridges won&t be)
  在客户端物理引擎加入游戏之后,并不是所有东西都是可摧毁的(SS:比如说桥梁什么的)
  - IS-6 has not become the most numerous tier 8 heavy tank after the New Year event
  IS-6在新年活动结束以后没有成为数量最多的8级重坦
  - LT role on city maps, according to SerB: &recon, scouting and raiding the rear&
  SerB对轻坦在城市图中的作用的说法:&侦查,报点,敌后包抄&
  - in historical battles, the vehicles fighting Tiger II will be just like in real life: T-34/85, SU-100, IS and ISU-152 (&as many as it is necessery&)
  在历史战中,会与虎王一决高下的车辆和现实中差不多:T-34/85,SU-152,IS以及ISU-152(&有必要的话,越多越好&)
  - there will not be &multi-stage& historical battles (SS: as in, players starting on lower tiers and spawning with higher tier vehicles)
  不会有&多阶段&的历史战(SS:也就是说,玩家们一开始开的是小车,后来会慢慢的复活成大车)
  - Soviet vehicles without 122mm guns fighting Tiger II&s and Ferdinands in historical battles? &Oskin managed to do it somehow even without a 122mm gun&
  苏联在历史战中对抗虎王和费迪南的时候没有122mm炮?&奥斯金都能在没有122mm炮的情况下搞定这个问题&
  (译注:奥斯金,全名亚历山大&保夫罗维克&奥斯金,以一辆T-34/85消灭三辆虎王。此战后被授予&金星勋章&,并授予&苏维埃英雄&的称号。&&本段摘抄自百度百科,奥格莱德伏击战词条。)
  - improving sky textures has low priority
  增强天空的贴图的优先级很低
  - fire mechanics apparently won&t be changed
  着火机制不会有改动
  - Q: &What&s with the draws in team battles?& A: &Fight to win then, we do not mind&
  问:&7/42中出现平局怎么办?&答:&那就努力去获得胜利,我们才不管平局什么的呢&
  - there will be quick (one click) crew moving between tanks and there will also be an option to quickly retrain the entire crew to a new vehicle
  以后会有快速(一键)把乘员从一辆车换到另一辆车的机制,同时还会有快速把组员重新训练到新的车辆上的选项
  - Type 59 is worse than T-34-2 &by the fact the T-34-2 has the top gun and some others too, like mobility&
  59式比T-34-2要差在&T-34-2有顶级炮以及一些其他的东西,比如说机动性什么的&
  - according to Storm, tank drifting is realistic
  Storm表示坦克漂移是符合现实的
  - invisible walls do not exist practically anywhere on the maps according to Storm, apart from extreme cases like the castle on the Himmelsdorf map
  Storm表示空气墙并不存在于地图上,除了锡城山上的城堡这样的极端情况。
  - Storm stated it&s possible that a tank will be able to move somehow even when it loses one track, he has been convinced by seeing documents that it&s possible
  Storm表示坦克在一侧履带断裂的情况下依然是有可能继续移动的,他本人看到了一份文献证明此事的确有可能发生后就被说服了
  Also, Storm, addressing players, who say that the leaked Kharkov map is a © of Ruinberg&: &You are all fucked up and not undergoing treatment& (SS: as in &you should be treated for that&)
  Storm同时对那些说哈尔科夫就是&鲁别克&的翻版的玩家表示了问候:&你们TMD就是一帮傻逼,还有千万别放弃治疗&(SS:换句话说就是&药千万不能停&)
  This is by the was the historical photo, on which the Kharkov map is based:
  以下是哈尔科夫制作时所使用的历史照片:
  另附原图一张:
  The buildings in the northwest corner were apparently somewhat removed, but Storm said there are weren&t historically many buildings up there anyway.
  西北角的建筑都在某种程度上被移除了,但是Storm说在历史上那里其实就没有什么建筑
  In other news, the office of Taktikal Press (Wargaming&s publishing company) apparently got raided by FSB after some idiot reported it for preparing a terrorist attack on Sochi olympics by (if I understood it correctly) producing biologically infected fruit juices.
  还有其他的一些新闻, Taktikal Press的办公室(这个是WG的出版公司&&没错,WG的确出过一些科普向的坦克书籍&&译注)被FSB(联邦技术规范局(Federal Specifications Board)&&译注)进行了突然搜查,原因是有个傻逼报告说他们(指办公室&&译注)正在准备利用(此处基于SS理解正确)生产生化果汁来对2014年的索契冬奥会发起恐怖袭击。
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坦克比对:轻型T-54以及59式初步对比
&  Hello everyone,
  大家嚎,
  yesterday, the new &Light T-54&P (I will call it LT-54 in this article) tier
8 premium medium tank was unveiled and it was only natural people immediately
started speculating. Will it be another Type 59? Will it be overpowered for a
premium tank? Or will it disappear into the pit of mediocrity like the T-34-3?
Well, let&s have a look at both.
  昨天,那辆新的&轻型T-54&(本文中简称为LT-54,后略)的8级金币中坦被泄露了出来,人们就自然而然的开始对其进行猜测。它会成为下一辆59吗?它作为金币车会不会太OP?亦或是会像T-34-3一样&泯然众人矣&?恩,我们来看看吧。
  Keep in mind that the supertester statistics leaked are preliminary, which
means they can (and probably will) change.
  请记住,超测服泄露出来的数据都只是初步的数据,这意味着他们可以(有可能会)对其作出改动。
  Unlike other statistics, armor is probably not very likely to change. As
you can see, the Type 59 armor is clearly superior in practically every aspect.
The LT-54 has 80mm frontal armor (sloped at 60 degrees makes it 160mm
effectively thick, not counting the normalization), the Type 59 has 200mm
frontal effective armor (100mm at 60 degrees). While 160mm is still a relatively
good value, it will make it vulnerable to the guns of tier 8 tanks as well, such
as the D-10, that appears in numerous models of vehicles. The LT-54 frontal
turret is 180-160mm thick and the area of this maximum thickness is smaller than
the Type 59 has. Type 59 frontal turret armor is 200mm thick, making it
practically impervious to vehicles of tiers 6-8. Furthermore, the LT-54 will
have a massive weakspot on the top of the turret, with the hatches being
significantly thinner as well (looks like 91mm, Type 59 has 130mm hatches). The
side armor on the Type 59 is 80mm thick, the side armor on the LT-54 looks like
60mm. That is not an issue only because of its thickness, but also due to the
overmatch.
  不像其他数据一样,装甲有可能不会做出改动。正如你所看到的一样,59式的装甲在几乎各个方面都要优于LT-54。LT-54的正面装甲厚度为80mm(倾斜60&,等效厚度为160mm,并未计算转正效果)
,而59式的正面等效厚度为200mm(100mm倾斜60&)。虽说160mm也不是很差,但是它对8级车来说就是非常容易攻击的目标了,栗如装在许多车上的D-10炮一样。LT-54的正面炮塔厚度在180-160mm,而能够达到这个最大厚度的区域比59式小很多。59的正面炮塔有200mm厚,使得它在面对6~8级车的时候几乎可以横着走。此外,LT-54在炮塔正上方有一个很大的弱点,因为那些炮塔舱口非常的薄(看起来像91mm,59式的炮塔舱口有130mm厚)。59式的侧面厚度有80mm,而LT-54的侧面厚度看上去有60mm。这从厚度方面来讲不是个问题,但是考虑到碾压规则的存在&&
  In the armor department, the Type 59 clearly wins.
  在装甲这方面,59式稳赢。
  Firepower
  Now, the leaked stats for the LT-54 come from Tank Inspector. The thing is,
Tank Inspector has several settings, where you can decide, what influences the
stats. So I will be hoping that the leaker used default settings, I think he
did, in which case the 100 percent crew bonus is taken into account.
  泄露出的LT-54的数据是从装甲密档中获得的。问题在于,装甲密档有着几个设定,设定中你可以设置一些会对属性产生影响的参数。所以我希望那个剧透的人用的是默认的设置,我认为他是用的,因为这样就会把100%乘员的加成算进属性内。
  Both vehicles are using what in real life was essentially the same gun: the
WW2 100mm D-10T variants we all know and love. The Chinese version has higher
penetration (a long time ago, there was a talk of improving the Soviet
penetration to this level as well, but the developers never got to do it).
  两辆车都用的是现实生活中的炮,但这两杆炮其实就是一杆:我们所熟知且爱得深沉的二战100mm
D-10T的两个变种版。中国版本的炮的穿深更高一些(很长时间以前,曾经有过消息说要把苏联的主炮穿深也提高到中国的水平,但是开发团队一直没搞)
  First number will refer to LT-54, second to Type 59
  第一个是LT-54的数据,第二个是59式的
  穿深: 175/181
  伤害: 250/250
  模块伤害: 135/135
(LT-54的第一个亮点!)
  装填时间: 8,247/8,342 (说得过去,因为LT-54的DPM高一些)
  射速: 7,276/7,192
  载弹量: 34/34
  弹药速度: 895/900 (LT-54的炮弹飞的要慢一些)
  主炮俯角: -5/-7 (59式的加分重点,-5&的俯角对于一辆靠机动吃饭的车来说是件很蛋疼的事情)
  精准度 (纸面): 0,4/0,39 (LT-54的精准稍差了一点点)
  瞄准时间: 2,68/2,78 (LT-54的炮瞄准时间快一些,纸面数据应该是2.8秒,而59式的瞄准在2.9秒)
  金币弹穿深 (假设值): 235/241
  Regarding the accuracy on the move, the LT-54 seems to be a bit more
accurate than the Type 59. It&s hard to say here, the winner is not clear, but
I&ll go with Type 59, because every milimeter of better penetration is worth it.
The LT-54 fires faster and aims faster, but is also less accurate. In a
high-speed brawl (when shooting exposed side and rear armor), the LT-54 will
have a slight advantage. It is clear that the developers want to balance this
tank as a pure brawler. But will the mobility match it?
  关于移动时的精准,LT-54好像比59式要准一些。现在很不好说谁到底是赢家,但是我还是要选59式,因为每一毫米的穿深都是实打实的。LT-54尽管射速和瞄准都比59快,但是主炮没有59式准。在**的1V1战斗中(会对暴露出来的侧面和后面进行射击),LT-54会有一点点的优势。开发团队很明显想把这辆车平衡成一辆纯粹的单挑车,
但是机动性能达到这点吗?
  Mobility
  机动性
  Same as before & first number is LT-54, second number is the Type 59
  上同&第一个是LT-54的数据,第二个是59式的
  重量: 30,79t/36吨
  发动机出力: 520hp/520hp
  推重比: 16,89/14,44 hp/t &正如所见,LT-54的大优势
  车身转速: 44/46 (59式此处占优,但是鉴于地形适应性的出现,这点相对来说就没什么关系了)
  不幸的是,极速没有得到泄露。我们就假设是史实值吧:
  极速: 58,7/56
  地形阻力:
  LT-54 & 0,959/1,151/1,918
  59式 & 0,863/0,959/1,918
  从转速和地形阻力上来看,LT-54是比较差的。然而我们还是要考虑更高的推重比对整辆车带来的优势。我要说LT-54在此处有着小小的优势。
  The Rest
  剩下的
  视野: 385/380 米
  无线电距离: 800/600 米
  On the supertest however, the LT-54 does NOT have limited MM, Type 59 does
have it. I think it&s realistic to assume that both will have limited MM in the
end, because going up against tier 10&s with a stock D-10T and no armor is
  然而在测试服上,LT-54并没有分房保护。但是59式是有的。我觉得从真实角度考虑,这两辆车最后都会有分房保护。因为在没有装甲防护的情况下用一杆白板D-10T去面对10级车与自杀无异。
  Verdict
  With all three factors (armor, mobility and firepower) taken into account,
it seems clear that in its current form (!), LT-54 is inferior to the Type 59 in
practically every important respect. The armor seems to be the most problematic
part (allowing even lower tier tanks to damage the vehicle, whereas the Type 59
would is invulnerable to the lower tier guns). Both vehicles have roughly the
same firepower, with differences being in singular percents or less. The
mobility is hard to determine given many factors that play into it, but I think
it will be comparable to Type 59 more or less, possibly with slightly higher
acceleration and speed. We&ll have to see and wait for the 9.2 test for this
vehicle to appear in supertester hands to know more, but at this point, I am not
exactly hyped. At least it looks good though.
  从三个方面来看(装甲,机动以及火力),看起来LT-54在现在的情况(!)下,它在每个重要的方面都比59式要差。装甲看起来是问题最大的部分(因为低级车也可以打穿它,而59式的装甲对低级炮来说几乎是无敌的)。两辆车的火力都差不多,差距只在几个百分点内。机动性由于涉及到的参数太多,不能得出结论,但是我认为它和59是扎不多的,也许加速和极速会好一些。我们等到9.2测试服的时候才能知道更多的细节,但是在现在这个时间点上,我对这辆车一点都不感到兴奋。至少它看上去还是不错的。
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