[暴雪官方论坛置顶贴翻译] WLK毁伤贼指南 --- 全面解答毁伤贼PvP,PvE各方面疑难问题
[align=center][color=red][b][size=200%]WLK毁伤贼指南[/size][/b][/color][/align][align=right]来自:[url=/thread.html?topicId=&sid=1]暴雪官方论坛[/url][/align][align=right]作者:[url=/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Cruisington]Cruisington[/url][/align][quote]This is intended to be an all-encompassing guide to the common questions people have about mutilate rogues. If you have comments or suggestions, please leave a friendly reply and I'll add in your comment with a citation so everyone knows how smart you are.[/quote][color=royalblue]这张帖子的意图是解释所有毁伤贼可能遇到的常见问题.如果有任何问题或建议,请友好地回复在下面,我会将你的问题或建议作为引用加进原帖,这样其他朋友们都会知道你的聪明才智.[/color][quote]F.A.Q.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]常见问题解答[/b][/color][quote]What's a good PvE mutilate build?This is the generally accepted build for PvE mutilate:[url]/?talent=f0ef0exoVboIzAo0xV0hZxb[/url]Here is an alternate build with Vigor and Fleet Footed (instead of Murder, which isn't useful for Naxxramas). If you don't want Vigor, put the extra point in Ruthlessness:[url]/?talent=f0gfoegoV0oIzAo0xV0hZxb[/url][/quote][color=royalblue][b]PvE毁伤贼的理想天赋是怎样的?[/b]这里有一个公认理想的PvE毁伤天赋:[url]/?talent=f0ef0exoVboIzAo0xV0hZxb[/url]还有另一个可以考虑的天赋方案,加了精力和健步如飞(替换了在Naxx里没什么用的谋杀).如果你不需要精力,就把多出来这点加到无情里去:[url]/?talent=f0gfoegoV0oIzAo0xV0hZxb[/url][/color][quote]What's a good PvP mutilate build?There are many variations on this spec, most of which are still 41/5/25. The following is what I use:[url]/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb[/url][/quote][color=royalblue][b]PvP毁伤贼的理想天赋是怎样的呢?[/b]这个变化无穷,大多数人选择41/5/25.下面这个天赋是我用的:[url]/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb[/url][/color][quote]What daggers should I use for PvE mutilate?Generally, you want to use faster daggers. This leads to a few things: more poison procs, and more Focused Attacks procs. Although your mutilates will hit for less than if you were using slow daggers, the DPS loss from this is more than made up for by having extra energy and poisoning the enemy more often. A great starter weapon is the Librarian's Paper Cutter (abbreviated LPC), which is 1.3 speed and is generally considered the best mutilate PvE dagger until Naxx/heroic weapons. It can be bought on the auction house for around 100g, depending on your server.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]如果想PvE的话,我该使用怎样的匕首呢?[/b]通常来说,你应该使用快速的匕首.因为这给你带来下面几个好处:毒药更频繁地生效,专注攻击更多地触发.虽然你的毁伤技能可能打的数字比用慢速武器时更小一些,但额外的毒药和能量给你带来的dps提升完全可以弥补并超越.有一个非常好的初期匕首是[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/37856.html]图书馆员的裁纸刀[/url],它有1.3的速度,被公认是Naxx和英雄副本之前最好的PvE匕首.你可以花大概100G(取决于你服务器)蹲一下拍卖把它买来.[/color][quote]What daggers should I use for PvP mutilate?This depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to take people down quickly (burst), lean towards slower daggers. Your mutilates will hit harder, and although your overall DPS may be lower, you have a better chance of taking someone down in a short time period. If you are looking for sustained damage, use faster daggers - just like you would in PvE. Faster daggers = less burst, but more damage over time due to Focused Attacks and poison procs.The &best& PvP mutilate daggers are currently Sinister Revenge (25 man Kel'Thuzad, Naxxramas) and Murder (25 man Sapphiron, Naxxramas).[url]/?item=40386[/url][url]/?item=40368[/url][/quote][color=royalblue][b]如果想PvP的话,我该使用怎样的匕首呢?[/b]这取决于你想干什么.如果你想秒杀敌人(爆发力),就要用慢速匕首.那样你的毁伤技能可以造成很高伤害,虽然你总dps会低一点点,但你会有更大的机会在短时间内将敌人杀死.如果你想要更高的持久伤害,就应该使用快速匕首 - 就像在PvE中一样.越快的匕首=越小的爆发力,但由于毒药和专注攻击带来的额外伤害更多.&最好的&PvP毁伤匕首目前是[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/40386.html]邪恶复仇[/url](25人Naxx克尔苏加德掉),和[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/40368.html]谋杀[/url](25人Naxx萨菲隆掉).[/color][quote]What glyphs should I use?There has been a lot of debate about this. I'll tell you what I use, and what your options are.PvE Major: Slice and Dice + Rupture, then 1 of your choice.PvP Major: Vigor + Preparation + Eviscerate, assuming a 41/5/25 spec.Minor: None of these are &necessary& per se, but they can be useful at times. Blurred Speed, Vanish (debatable), Pick Pocket[/quote][color=royalblue][b]我该使用什么雕文呢?[/b]这方面已经有许多讨论.我会告诉你我使用的是什么,你可选什么.PvE大雕文:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42973.html]切割雕文[/url] + [url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42969.html]割裂雕文[/url],还有一个自己选PvP大雕文:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42971.html]精力雕文[/url] + [url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42968.html]伺机待发雕文[/url] + [url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42961.html]刺骨雕文[/url]小雕文:每个都不是必须的,但有些时候某些小雕文很有用.比如[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43379.html]水上漂雕文[/url],[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43380.html]消失雕文[/url],[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43343.html]妙手空空雕文[/url][/color][quote]How much of X stat do I need?Hit rating:[url]/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb[/url]All others:[url]/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk/[/url][/quote][color=royalblue][b]各种属性我各需要多少?[/b]命中等级:[url]/?talent=fhxcoeMoirofzZ0xZebfb0hdb[/url][i]译者注:这里可能是原作者粘贴错了链接?我推荐另一篇讲命中等级的文章:[url=http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=2171633]传送门在此[/url][/i]其他属性:[url]/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk/[/url][/color][quote]What poisons should I use for PvE? PvP?PvE: Instant/Deadly (NEW SINCE 3.0.8)PvP: Wound/Mind Numbing, but it's situational. If you are not fighting a caster and have time to switch poisons, go with Wound/Wound. This allows for maximum poison damage while simultaneously applying Crippling Poison thanks to Deadly Brew.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]在PvE和PvP中,我应该使用什么毒药呢?[/b]PvE:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43231.html]速效药膏[/url]/[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43233.html]致命药膏[/url]PvP:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/43235.html]致伤药膏[/url]/[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/5237.html]麻痹药膏[/url].不过在PvP中要具体情况具体分析.如果你并非在打一个施法者,并且有时间换毒药,那就用致伤+致伤,这会导致最大的毒药伤害和最多的由于致命酝酿而触发的减速药膏.[/color][quote]What rotation should I use for PvE?This is covered very well in the Elitist Jerks WotLK Pocket Guide (linked above), but I will give an abridged version here:Get Hunger for Blood to 3 stacks before engaging the enemy.Open with Garrote (if stealthed) or Mutilate if unstealthed, regardless of whether the mob is poisoned.At this point you will have between 1-3 combo points. Slice and Dice.Mutilate to 4-5 combo points.Envenom (resets Slice and Dice to 5 point maximum)Mutilate to 4-5 combo points.RuptureMutilate to 4-5 combo points.EnvenomEtc.Make sure that Hunger for Blood does not fade. If it does, it will take 90 energy to get back to 3 stacks, which is a LOT of lost DPS. Priority #1 is HfB, #2 is Slice and Dice, #3 is Rupture/Envenom. Remember this and you're one step closer to having a good mutilate rotation.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]PvE输出循环该是怎样的呢?[/b]这在上面提到过的[url=/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk/]Elitist Jerks WotLK Pocket Guide[/url]里面有相当完整的阐述,我这里给出一份整理削减过的版本:把血之饥渴叠到3层.如果在潜行状态,就起手绞喉,如果不在潜行状态,就起手毁伤(不管目标是否中毒).现在你应该已经有1到3个连击点,切割吧.毁伤,毁到有4或5个练级点为止.毒伤(这会把切割的时间刷新到5星的效果)毁伤,毁到有4或5个练级点为止.割裂毁伤,毁到有4或5个练级点为止.毒伤循环下去...确保血之饥渴不要消失!因为一旦消失,你需要90能量才能使它叠起3层,这会损失太多的dps.按优先级来看的话,#1是血之饥渴,#2是切割,#3是毒伤/割裂.记住这一点你就离一个优秀的毁伤输出循环又进一步.[/color][quote]What trinkets should I shoot for?The best rogue trinkets right now are Fury of the Five Flights (25 man Sartharion), Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Nobles Deck), and Mirror of Truth.[url]/?item=40431[/url][url]/?item=44253[/url][url]/?item=40684[/url][/quote][color=royalblue][b]我要拿下哪些饰品呢?[/b]目前最好的盗贼饰品是[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/40431.html]五色巨龙之怒[/url][url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/44253.html]暗月卡片：伟大[/url][url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/40684.html]真实之镜[/url][/color][quote]What gems should I use?GENERAL ADVICE:For red slots, Agility and Attack Power are pretty much equal. For yellow slots, below poison hit cap, go with Glinting, otherwise go with Agility/Crit (Deadly Monarch or better). For blue, Agi/Stam (Shifting Twilight Opal or better). Remember, this is assuming that you need blue/yellow for your meta slot, or the socket bonus is worth getting. If the socket bonus isn't worthwhile - for instance, stamina or dodge rating - just stack Agility or Attack Power gems.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]我该使用哪些宝石?[/b]通常建议:红色洞,插敏捷或AP是基本一样的.***洞,如果命中未达到毒药命中溢出(译者注:237命中等级,点了精准天赋,在有鸟德和暗牧的情况下),就插命中.否则插敏捷或暴击的.蓝色洞,敏捷/耐力.注意,这是假设你需要***和蓝色宝石来满足你的多彩宝石要求,或者是镶孔奖励确实很不错值的你插***和蓝色宝石,不然的话(比如镶孔奖励是躲闪或耐力),那全插敏捷或AP就可以了.[/color][quote]What enchants should I use?Chest: +StatsGloves: +Attack PowerShoulders: Sons of Hodir Exalted Inscription (AP/Crit)Legs: Icescale (AP/Crit)Belt: Belt Buckle (extra socket)Cloak: +AgilityHelm: Ebon Blade Revered (AP/Crit)Boots: Icewalker (Crit/Hit)Bracers: +Attack PowerWeaponsMain hand: BerserkingOffhand: MongooseSome people argue that Berserking is better on both weapons, which may be true. The argument on the other side is that Mongoose is considerably cheaper, and the difference between the 2 is no more than ~10 dps, not to mention the PvP downside of having reduced armor.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]我要选择什么附魔?[/b]胸部:属性手套:AP肩膀:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/44133.html]强效利斧铭文[/url],霍迪尔之子崇拜奖励腿部:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/38374.html]冰鳞腿甲片 [/url]腰带:锻造打多一个洞披风:敏捷头部:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/44149.html]折磨秘药[/url],黑风骑士团尊敬奖励鞋子:履冰,12暴击12命中手腕:AP主手:[url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/44493.html]狂暴[/url]副手:猫釉 [i](译者注:大汗...)[/i][/color][quote]Does Glyph of Sap (+10 seconds to Sap) work in PvP?No. It is fully functional in PvE, but adds nothing to Sap's duration against other players.[/quote][color=royalblue][b][url=http://db.ngacn.cc/cn/item/42970.html]闷棍雕文[/url](+10秒闷棍持续时间)在PvP中也有用吗?[/b]没用,完全没用.[/color][quote]What attacks can Focused Attacks proc from?Any melee critical strike, including those from special attacks (Mutilate, Envenom, etc). It will not proc from poison crits.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]专注攻击可以由哪些种类的攻击触发?[/b]任何近战攻击,包括那些特殊攻击(毁伤,毒伤等).毒药无法触发专注攻击.[/color][quote]Tricks of the Trade seems like a nifty ability. Who should I use it on?If you don't foresee aggro being a problem, put it on your top DPS'er - it can't be used on yourself, and transfers ALL of your threat to the target for the next 6 seconds, but increases the damage they do by 15%. With only a 30 second cooldown, this can be a big DPS upgrade for your group or raid. I generally put it on other rogues, and they put it on me so our threat transfer &cancels out&.[/quote][color=royalblue][b]嫁祸诀窍貌似很有技巧,我应该对什么人使用它呢?[/b]如果仇恨不是什么大问题的话,对着你们最高dps者使用它.这个技能不能对自己使用,对一个目标使用后,它会在下6秒内转移你所有仇恨给这个目标,而且提高他15%的伤害.只有30秒的冷却,所以这都团队dps是一个比较大的提升.我一般跟另外一个盗贼商量好,我嫁祸他,他嫁祸我,这样仇恨就不变,但我们俩伤害都提高了.[/color][quote]What's the point of Fan of Knives? The damage is pitiful.While the damage isn't great, it's a very useful tool for getting other rogues out of stealth (and also for throwing in some AoE damage on trash mobs). If you see a rogue stealth while you're fighting someone else, you can pop it and get them out of stealth so they can't open on you - this is especially true in arenas![/quote][color=royalblue][b]刀扇有什么用啊?那伤害简直低得可怜.[/b]刀扇的伤害确实不高,但这是把附近潜行中的盗贼打出来的好招(也可以在打喽罗时提升一点AoE伤害).如果你在打一个敌人时发现附近有另一个潜行的敌人,你就能把他打出来,以致他无法偷袭你 - 这在竞技场非常实用![/color]
看了下 很不错一直坚持毁伤收藏之 谢谢LZ 回家好好研究。.
了解了一些国外的毁伤贼的经验，不过对于刀扇来说，也许能帮助盗贼提高AOE伤害么。
阿？PVE毒药还用速效？？？？？？？
因为加了天赋，增加了10%的速效触发，但实际效果就不知道了。。。
[quote][pid=][b]Post by mixsound ( 14:08):[/b][/pid]阿？PVE毒药还用速效？？？？？？？[/quote]对, 你仔细看他天赋, 加了10%的毒药触发机率.
这帖确实很有意义!一开始我也惯性地以为致伤比较好...
最近的营养帖子不少啊.. 慢慢消化
保存了帖子 精辟得帖子 呵呵 学习了 话说这么好得帖子怎么没有人来顶呢
刚洗了毁伤，就有了技术贴，学习了
学习，学习
毁伤pve循环太费力了。3个循环(1个可以被重置)。能量掌握实在太繁琐了，毒伤，割裂最好都要5星。在只有毁伤60能量攒星的条件下，运气只要不好(连续3下不暴击)就有可能漏下一个。在此我只想说，强烈要求饥渴持续一分钟。强烈要求割裂也能重置切割，好歹割裂也算终结技啊。(已经发到暴雪论坛，可没有爱啊，希望众贼去踊跃发贴刷爆它)
新手贼，如果面对非治疗职业，双速效如何？麻痹次之吧，法师都是BIUBIU……为何帖子上说双致伤？在下不才，莫喷！
不过GF啥时候开是个问题哪
有个问题是上致命和上致伤都可以增加毁伤的50%伤害?我记得以前有人说上致伤没效果到底是那人SB了还是改了我火星了?
因为团队的尊严贼们不稳定 我现在也是再用毁伤打副本 感觉确实繁琐了点 又得盯着切割 星 饥渴 还得看着能量 注意重置切割ps:刚才下本 集合的时候 团长问我 你身上那个红圈是什么附魔....
感觉血之饥渴的PVE效果实在是愧对51点大招的称号啊，不如抽些点数出来点强化切割和无情打击更实在些了
标记下慢慢看，很不错
根據我打了3天的木樁洗了無數次天賦,換了各種毒藥組合...武器FM換了4次.每次取900次平砍的戰鬥為記錄(是全力輸出其中包含900次平砍.)多次對比之後得出結論:天賦:強化切割1點+雕文足夠..噁性毒藥3點.強化毒藥和快速恢復按自己的精準去選擇.武器FM:狂暴+貓釉&雙狂暴&雙貓釉毒藥:首先主製傷比主速效要高.速效的傷害大約為800-1400.製傷傷害為500-900..但是速效的觸發只有致傷的1/3另外一點:速效無法提供中毒DEBUFF.終結技的選擇:主製傷+副致命+剔骨終結&主製傷+副致命+毒傷終結&雙致命+毒傷終結..這些數據是把毒藥和中介技的總傷害加在一起算出的...循環:起手:絞喉2星-切割-毀傷到至少3星割裂-毀傷到至少4星TG.\氣最差的情況是TG時候切割剩1秒.完全無干擾的假人戰中:1.絕對不用4星以下的剔骨.2.絕對不用3星以下的割裂.3.割裂斷檔時間小於5秒.違反任意一條一次.DPS曲綫就會出現下降.當然斷切割斷渴血是絕對不應該出現的.急速:11%,AP:3400,命中:436,爆:33%,精準:24,破甲:0..飾品喪鐘+牌子飾品,裝備基本是25人畢業的..不過用了兩把25人老克的慢速匕首..因為沒有快速匕首所以無法比較..無BUFF.無DEBUFF.骷髏級假人:5分鐘DPS穩定在2300.80級假人:5分鐘DPS穩定在2900.
LZ 和18L都受教了=，=其实我还想战斗啊 轻松愉快啊。。。。没办法 看来WLK要努力了[wlk][pvp]请问3.1.1盗贼pvp天赋哪种便于新手操作？
毁伤(截肢)Vs影舞
绝对是毁伤2分钟一次的影舞要抓住适当的使用时机对才能发挥出应有的威力
45/5/25预备毁伤
41/5/25 生存爆发兼顾
[quote][pid=][b]Post by observer-05-01 20:50):[/b][/pid]45/5/25预备毁伤[/quote]
帅哥 你哪来的75点天赋
为什么不把血之饥渴加出来，听说大BUFF了。
毫无疑问是毁伤
高伤+无脑准确的说是腿短无法不无脑影舞上手比较难
谢谢几位指点。41/5/25试试看~
手误把41打成45了= =b，说句题外话，如果哪天blz大发慈悲让暗步变为可学技能，预备毁伤这个天赋就完美了
毁伤 大哥下次问点新鲜的东西吧 记得要有营养哦 ！
[quote][pid=][b]Post by observer-05-01 22:02):[/b][/pid]手误把41打成45了= =b，说句题外话，如果哪天blz大发慈悲让暗步变为可学技能，预备毁伤这个天赋就完美了[/quote]那别的职业真就不能玩了
毁伤吧 猛捅就好了。。注意控制下能量。。鹦鹉操作麻烦点 练习下也好了
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( 22:23):[/b][/pid]那别的职业真就不能玩了[/quote]有什么不能玩，武器战士都能有12秒CD的战斗冲锋，一个穿板的比你机动性强百倍，多给你个30秒的暗步怎么滴了！
战斗在3.1还是不错的，杀戮那2.5秒内打掉10000不是梦- -
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( 22:09):[/b][/pid]毁伤 大哥下次问点新鲜的东西吧 记得要有营养哦 ！[/quote]我很少打pvp这些都不是很了解，而且我在精华帖收录中，看不到3.1.1版本的盗贼的相关PvP信息哦。
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( 06:59):[/b][/pid]有什么不能玩，武器战士都能有12秒CD的战斗冲锋，一个穿板的比你机动性强百倍，多给你个30秒的暗步怎么滴了！[/quote]严格的说是12秒战斗冲锋送冷血
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( 06:59):[/b][/pid]有什么不能玩，武器战士都能有12秒CD的战斗冲锋，一个穿板的比你机动性强百倍，多给你个30秒的暗步怎么滴了！[/quote]那是战士武器系的深层天赋,并不是每个战士都能战斗冲锋的,哦,对了,防战也能,不过那也是防战的防御深层天赋!
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( 10:40):[/b][/pid]那是战士武器系的深层天赋,并不是每个战士都能战斗冲锋的,哦,对了,防战也能,不过那也是防战的防御深层天赋![/quote]说了等于没说,谁会用狂暴PVP..
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( 13:15):[/b][/pid]说了等于没说,谁会用狂暴PVP..[/quote]3.09版本,基本上所有打JJC的战士都是用狂暴PVP的.如果你非要机动性,大可以把暗步天赋洗出来,如果你要伤害,也可以用毁伤天赋.什么?你又想要机动性,又想要暴发力?好吧,你去玩战士这职业,不要抱怨,因为这就是职业的不同!
41、5、25不是盗贼没创意，确实这个天赋老少皆宜简单有效不过决斗的话17、0、54 的影舞天赋可能更强